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my name is shane hurd welcome to the

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all the strange web conference i want to

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thank

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rogue planet tv for inviting me to speak

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this is a topic i find important and

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interesting

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unidentified aerial phenomena or uap

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is the new term used to describe what

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was formerly referred to

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as unidentified flying objects

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well why the change well the united

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states air force

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first coined the term unidentified

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flying object in 1953.

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excuse me its initial definition was

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any airborne object which by performance

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aerodynamic characteristics or unusual

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does not conform to any presently known

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aircraft or

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missile type of which cannot be

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positively identified

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as a familiar object simply put

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an object in the sky that the viewer

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could not identify

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now this is a rather clinical definition

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that the uf

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uh the us air force put together

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uh to allow them to express terminology

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that could be used to properly

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categorize characterize

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and otherwise organize those reports

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be made available to the public

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but over the years that definition

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definition has been lost

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and a new unscientific context was

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the term ufo soon became synonymous with

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flying saucer or aliens

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which ironically would be identified

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this misnomer can be contributed to the

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topic becoming considered

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unscientific and ridiculed not only in

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government and military circles but also

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with the media and the public in general

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so serious people and organizations look

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for a better term

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that would be more representative of

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what is being reported and seen

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and less loaded with that pejorative

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now while most uap sightings can be

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attributed to

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misidentification of known phenomena

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there are many cases that cannot

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and in fact according to the battelle

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out of i think 3 201 cases

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on average 21.5 percent cases were

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attributed to

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unknowns and that's different than

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uh not enough information which was

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another category of

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uh 11 to 17 percent i think somewhere in

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there but the point is

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is that for unknowns they had enough

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data to make sure

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um that they could not identify it with

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some prosaic

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explanation in fact was a true unknown

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so 21.5 now i should briefly share

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the fact that i am an investigator for

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mufon

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and it's something i would highly highly

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recommend for you

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and perhaps like you i began to move

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from merely

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um consuming ufo information

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uh motivated by curiosity and

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entertainment

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uh to to something more there's nothing

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wrong with

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entertainment or or you know that

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curiosity but

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i felt compelled to do more once i

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really learned what was going on i

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wanted to participate

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i wanted to engage or even contribute in

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so i looked for a way to do so that

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would match my ability and circumstances

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ufology is like a smorgasbord they're

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just so many different facets to it you

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could never do

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justice to all of it so i i at least for

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i wanted to pick a lane and stick in

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that lane

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and become proficient at that and i've

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been in the civil engineering and

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geographic information

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technology fields for 20 years

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my career has been spent in corporate

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and government organizations i'm a

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certified public manager

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so i thrive in large structured

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environments so i look for an

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organization

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or an organized effort basically to

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study uap and that appealed to me

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and i thought that would be my best

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chance to be successful and

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be able to contribute and there's a few

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different organizations one could

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could join but the one that stood out to

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me was the mutual ufo

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and just a brief history on mufon it was

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formed in 1969 and it

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is hailed as the largest ufo related

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investigation organization in the world

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uh it's an international organization

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structured similar to a franchise you

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even though it's non nonprofit it's

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and then individual chapters in those

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regions carry out

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investigative work because ufo

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geographic-centric you know where did

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when did it happen those are the

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starting points for any investigation

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and i'll just say well no no

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organization is perfect

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move on my experience has been fantastic

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and i highly recommend it

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in fact a little bit about my background

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is that i belong to the phoenix chapter

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of arizona mufon

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and in fact i was recently appointed

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arizona mufon

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assistant state director and the

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leadership comprised of jim mann as

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stacey wright as assistant director and

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state chief investigator has been

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absolutely stellar

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jim recently retired from arizona state

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mufon but that led to stacy being

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appointed state director and myself

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um now just to note the phoenix chapter

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even received the first ever chapter of

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the year award in 2017

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and the leadership organizations

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and support given to me by this team has

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helped me grow and give me an

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opportunity to live out my dream

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and it's my hope to continue this

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stellar leadership along

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with stacy jim and dennis

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now the process for becoming an

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investigator is very reasonable

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and affordable you must first become a

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you purchase a training manual you take

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courses on mufon university you take an

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experienced investigator

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assignments begin and i would just say

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each case when you've uh investigate it

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who also by the way is an excellent

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um and he reviews the case and provides

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any feedback or direction to you

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there's the the support and assistant by

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the director the assistant director

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glad to help there's just a tremendous

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pleasure for me

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uh it's even opened doors for me to be

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associated with many of the top

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so again if this sounds something like

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and that's a good fit for you i strongly

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encourage you to do it

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now i've been an investigator first for

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i've completed about 80 cases and the

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majority of these cases have ranged from

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less obvious to very obvious

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while i still have a lot to learn and

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experience i have had a diverse array

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of case evidence to follow and so that's

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what i want to talk a little bit about

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is that case evidence

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what are the forms of evidence that

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data and information that will help

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eyewitness account without additional

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and that's uh you know that's a legit

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legitimate concern however you know

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and there are very credible people and

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account is a pillar of the investigation

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pressure to exercise good judgment

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surroundings including the behavior of

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around them so although they're not

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are all their business it's their life

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best eyewitnesses of uap

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and can you imagine being a pilot having

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even not even 10 percent

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of uap sightings have been reported due

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ridicule and persecution that would come

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airlines flight uh

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i think 1628 uh happened in 1986

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and uh it's a good example of this and

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i'll talk more about that later but

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scientists engineers and technicians are

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also good eyewitnesses

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since they have in fact been trained in

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observation techniques

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quantitative and qualitative analysis

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and

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comes under the umbrella of the

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scientific method

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um and so they have to be among the most

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credible witnesses

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as well they have the critical eye

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to try and make a determination of what

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it is that they're seeing

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however they are disincentivized to do

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so by the same ridicule and persecution

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government officials they also make

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credible witnesses

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and you're probably going huh well it's

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not due to their technical acumen

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but it's rather because they are at such

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a

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high risk of ridicule persecution

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and even the loss of their career by

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making such

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a report so if they are brave enough to

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make the report

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at such risk you can be sure that they

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are sincere

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in their report they're not they're not

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hoaxing

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however they still could be wrong they

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could be mistaken

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but certainly they're not making a glib

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report they likely weigh the heavy

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consequences

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that could come their way before making

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any report

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military personnel they too are credible

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eyewitnesses because of the same reasons

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police officers pilot scientists

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engineers and technicians because each

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of those provide

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professions are within the military and

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even non-technical military members

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are well trained in observation they

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too must exercise good judgment and

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soundness of mind

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moreover they are quite likely to

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observe uap

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in the execution of their military

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duties uap

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seem to be very interested in all things

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military

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including our nuclear activities so the

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incidence of seeing them

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is very high i'll talk a little bit

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later about a recent case in which that

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that has been proven true many military

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members

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do see you ap and the navy admitted that

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it

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happens on a regular basis

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now the second pillar i'm going to talk

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about is is trace

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evidence and trace evidence is more rare

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because it usually

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means that there is an effect

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by the uap on our physical environment

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in some way so

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like a crash or a landing or something

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like that

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and those are are much more rare reports

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but

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it's extremely valuable evidence because

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it allows for the collection

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analysis and the making of data-driven

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conclusions about

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a uap event which is the most important

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thing we can do

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in other words it's physical evidence or

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proof that at a minimum

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something physical did occur and this is

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something that

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can be utilized in the scientific

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process it can be measured

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it can be aggregated and otherwise used

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to at least develop a hypothesis

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and trace evidence can come in many

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forms so for example it might be

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chemical residue

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radiological residue or electrical

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effects on the environment or it may be

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you know damage to plants animals and

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even

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human beings so it can be a very

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powerful form of

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evidence should you have the good

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fortune to have it

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to to utilize in your investigation

395
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now the third pillar is photographic

396
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video

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and i'll even include radar evidence

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there

399
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now i would love to be able to say that

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you know really good photo

401
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video could provide not just

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evidence but proof of uap

403
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but the sad fact is no way

404
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a single photo video is just not going

405
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to do it

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and the reason is because these forms of

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evidence are easily falsified

408
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in fact more recently with the invention

409
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and availability of computer software

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an individual can create um

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some pretty convincing cgi imagery that

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cn trey and i may appear valid

413
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although with scientific scrutiny these

414
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things can be identified as fraudulent

415
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but sadly today many people will see a

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photo or video on platforms like youtube

417
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and either don't have the time or the

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skill set

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necessary to research and determine

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the validity of that photo or video

421
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and even when you do it it can be very

422
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difficult to track down the source

423
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and to get the back story on that video

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or photo which are critical

425
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so the internet is just chock full of

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photos and videos and websites that

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contain uap

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that are complete fabric fabrications so

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i just say researcher investigator

430
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beware

431
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if it seems too good to be true it

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probably

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uh is not true so now finally i do want

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to say a little bit about radar imagery

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i

436
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largely because

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the imagery comes from the equivalent of

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a scientific

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00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:09,520
instrument or a network of those

440
00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:13,200
instruments and it is in a closed

441
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other words it is not prone to hoax now

442
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:32,480
is it prone to misinterpretations well

443
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there there is a possibility

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of misinterpreting the data but the

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conditions for that are pretty well

446
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known

447
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uh things such as temperature inversions

448
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and

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operator

450
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is quite a depth at distinguishing

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between

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false images sweeps pings and the like

453
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so i consider it very strong evidence

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and you know it's in the hands of the

455
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military and the government and so forth

456
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so

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um you know i think that the likelihood

458
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of hoax is pretty slim in those cases

459
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:08,320
now as i mentioned earlier a strong case

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involving

461
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:12,559
the confirmation of a uap by radar

462
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:13,440
imagery

463
00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:17,120
is the nose november 17 1986

464
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:21,039
uh japan airlines flight 1628 encounter

465
00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:23,600
over anchorage alaska and it's an

466
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:24,720
amazing

467
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:28,960
encounter of a boeing 747 cargo plane

468
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:32,080
and a uap uh the size

469
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of an aircraft carrier well for well

470
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over 50 minutes and the whole affair

471
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played out on radar

472
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and this is a terrific example of the

473
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value of radar imagery as evidence for a

474
00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:44,000
uap

475
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:46,320
case and i strongly recommend if you're

476
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:47,600
not familiar with the case

477
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:50,720
check it out it's really good now

478
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,080
we can uh not similarly dismiss

479
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:57,039
all photo video and radar imagery in

480
00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,120
fact i think if we ever do

481
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:01,919
get a confirmation or disclosure or an

482
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:04,960
identification of uap and its source

483
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:06,880
it's going to involve that kind of

484
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,880
imagery it'll play a part in the

485
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,080
authentication

486
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,720
it won't be the only piece but it will

487
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be a significant part of it

488
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:17,520
so just depend on the circumstances

489
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and who is presenting it as evidence

490
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now when combined with other forms of

491
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,360
evidence such as the eyewitness

492
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testimony

493
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,840
trace evidence video and photographic

494
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imagery

495
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:33,760
and even audio files a very solid

496
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,120
investigation

497
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,840
incredible and high conclusion high

498
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:39,520
quality conclusion can be

499
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made so based on the evidence so far the

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conclusion i have come to

501
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is this that while there may be no proof

502
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at least in the public there is a

503
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preponderance of evidence to suggest

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something very real is happening

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and i suspect that if you have not

506
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:01,679
already come to that conclusion

507
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:04,480
yourself you will as you pro progress

508
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:05,280
through

509
00:21:09,110 --> 00:21:08,320
your personal reach research and you

510
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consider

511
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the evidence of uap now

512
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i will also add that uap is such an

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enigma

514
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that there is no certainty of what the

515
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big picture

516
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may be at this point time so in other

517
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words we're certain about some details

518
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and some evidence

519
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um but it's not enough to

520
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really say we think this is a big thing

521
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:34,400
going on i mean there are many theories

522
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but at this point what we're left with

523
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is no choice but to follow the evidence

524
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wherever that leads

525
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i think that's critically important so

526
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how do we

527
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draw conclusions from this kind of

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evidence

529
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well one of the things i think we must

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do first

531
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is examine our own bias

532
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and everybody has bias no doubt about it

533
00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:59,440
but is

534
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,480
also possible to set that aside if you

535
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,159
focus on that so let me

536
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just share a bit of personal history

537
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with you because it shapes my point of

538
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,640
view

539
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,320
and and how i apply it to my

540
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,320
investigation of uap

541
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so i spent the majority of my life as an

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avid bible student

543
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i was a member of a christian religious

544
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organization

545
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i learned how to learn

546
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how to think critically uh how to write

547
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how to reason with people and how to

548
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speak publicly

549
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and these have been very useful skill

550
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sets

551
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,760
i've utilized you know in general as a

552
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husband and father

553
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,720
even as in my career and even applied

554
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,480
here to ufology

555
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,480
and i'm very grateful for that training

556
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:46,799
however i'm no longer a member of any

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christian

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00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:50,000
religion now and as a result my

559
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perspective has changed in one principle

560
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:53,200
way

561
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and that is the the concept of belief

562
00:23:01,110 --> 00:23:00,880
now essentially belief is the acceptance

563
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:01,120
of

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00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:07,760
okay belief is a necessary

565
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,679
function of human intelligence and logic

566
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,600
it's part of the natural process of

567
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learning so for example

568
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:18,640
in religion we believe in the existence

569
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of a god in science we believe in our

570
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:23,039
scientific

571
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theories until proven as fact in

572
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:27,600
business we often believe in

573
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,039
management theories or principles so

574
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,440
belief is necessary because it is the

575
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bridge between

576
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,000
gaps in our knowledge in what we

577
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:40,240
thought true and what is later proven

578
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:42,240
true so it moves us along

579
00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:44,720
and moves us forward it helps us to

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00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,400
continue to learn

581
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,880
and we gain motivation and emotional

582
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,480
support from it so

583
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belief is very important necessary and

584
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valid

585
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however there is a danger with belief

586
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:01,840
human beings tend to allow belief

587
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,200
to rise to the level of truth or proof

588
00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:08,000
when it's not warranted and this can be

589
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:08,960
problematic

590
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:12,480
and even dangerous so humans can

591
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,240
allow belief to be superior to proof

592
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,960
truth is often denied in the face of

593
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,360
strongly held beliefs

594
00:24:25,110 --> 00:24:23,440
you may have heard the term cognitive

595
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,120
dissonance

596
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,520
it essentially represents the process

597
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:28,640
that we go

598
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,799
of rejecting a truth subconsciously

599
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,520
or consciously because subconsciously it

600
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,559
conflicts

601
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,600
with a treasured belief and

602
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:41,039
frustratingly

603
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,400
we see this displayed in many facets of

604
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,320
life today

605
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:48,880
now i've heard there are three stages of

606
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,679
truth

607
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,080
first the fact is that it's ridiculed

608
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:54,080
then it's violently opposed

609
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,520
and finally is accepted as self-evident

610
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,960
is that not true with regard to uap

611
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,960
we are now witnessing the struggle for

612
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:04,240
the acceptance

613
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,600
of uap as a reality the truth of the

614
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,880
reality of uap

615
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:11,520
is going through these stages so for 70

616
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:12,640
years it's been

617
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:16,159
bitterly ridiculed people pursuing ufo

618
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,120
truths

619
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,279
have had their lives ruined in many

620
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:20,640
cases

621
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:24,559
it physical

622
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:28,000
verbal political whatever towards ufo

623
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,919
researchers of dick abductees witnesses

624
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,960
and and whistleblowers

625
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:37,360
and then thirdly more and more people

626
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,080
now

627
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:39,840
including scientists and government

628
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,120
officials law enforcement the military

629
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,279
and the intelligence community the

630
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:47,200
public in general even and even the

631
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:48,400
media

632
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:52,240
are beginning to accept uap as a reality

633
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:56,559
well make no mistake uap is a reality

634
00:26:03,110 --> 00:25:59,919
and that is not a mere belief that is

635
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,120
the truth so you are no doubt aware

636
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,279
of the navy's confirmation of the

637
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,120
reality of uap

638
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:09,840
such has been reported by the roosevelt

639
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,400
and nimitz aircraft carrier cases

640
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,159
in the news for the last couple years

641
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,400
and of course just the last few weeks

642
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,080
the navy

643
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,799
verified that those videos in fact were

644
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,000
genuine

645
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,559
uh unidentified in their their

646
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,559
terminology so

647
00:26:30,789 --> 00:26:29,520
that is a pretty fascinating development

648
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:30,799
and uh one that is

649
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:34,559
quite welcome so based on that my

650
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:36,880
viewpoint has changed in this way

651
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:40,720
i am very careful to separate

652
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,080
belief from proof in my mind

653
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:46,320
as i research and investigate the

654
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,520
phenomena

655
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,080
you know i try to have no bias in my

656
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,240
approach to an investigation

657
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:54,799
i really avoid falling into the belief

658
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,760
category

659
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,600
and the reason is i don't want to be

660
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,200
wrong it's too

661
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,600
important of a topic to take that risk

662
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,919
and in the end this may be the greatest

663
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,720
discovery

664
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,200
in the history of mankind it may even

665
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,360
rise to a matter of life and death

666
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,320
so it's so important to carry this out

667
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,960
in a very defendable way

668
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:16,880
now there are many people who already

669
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,399
believe in the reality of uap

670
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:23,679
aliens and other facets of uap without

671
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,480
proof and as i mentioned earlier this is

672
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,559
a normal part of the human intellect and

673
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:29,919
is not necessarily

674
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,039
wrong but there are dangers to placing

675
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,200
that belief above proof

676
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,760
for example one can miss out on some

677
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,600
really important facts if they're not

678
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,840
looking because they think they already

679
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:42,640
know

680
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,320
based on their belief although i don't

681
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,679
criticize true believers because

682
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:51,760
they may have more reason to believe

683
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:52,720
than i

684
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:55,039
uh they may have what they consider to

685
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,000
be proof

686
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,960
maybe they saw a flying saucer with

687
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,320
their own eyes

688
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,480
maybe they have been abducted or

689
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,760
contacted

690
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,919
i don't know i wasn't there i can't say

691
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,880
that they're wrong

692
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,320
and frankly if any of those things

693
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,080
happen to me too

694
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:12,559
that would make me a believer or not

695
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:14,000
just a believer

696
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,679
but a knower so i have to keep

697
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:19,919
myself as neutral as possible on that as

698
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,039
well

699
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,720
and the other thing you got to consider

700
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,799
too is people who are sometimes called

701
00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:25,520
true

702
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,039
believers pejoratively they do invite

703
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:31,919
ridicule from even fellow ufologists

704
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:34,240
because they often demonstrate

705
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,919
an unreasonable level of gullibility

706
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,080
that damages credibility not only of

707
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:43,120
themselves but the entire ufo community

708
00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:45,679
and as we've discussed credibility has

709
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:48,480
always been a hard to come by commodity

710
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:51,440
for the ufo community especially in view

711
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:52,880
of the general public

712
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,279
and so i think it's a valid concern and

713
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,440
so as a researcher as a member

714
00:29:01,269 --> 00:29:00,399
of the ufo research and investigation

715
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:01,279
committee

716
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,000
community i think you and i have a

717
00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:06,559
responsibility to carry on our work

718
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:10,399
in as an objective and well-balanced way

719
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:15,039
as possible so the most effective way

720
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,919
to manage the credibility i think is to

721
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:18,480
follow

722
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:21,279
the evidence no one can justifiably

723
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,080
refute

724
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,960
a proven fact you might try remember

725
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,640
cognitive dissonance

726
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,520
but not in a justifiable way now if you

727
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:31,520
have a proven fact i think by all means

728
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,720
stand up and crow

729
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,799
tell the world you know the truth needs

730
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:37,120
to be exposed and advertised and put to

731
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,480
the forefront

732
00:29:42,789 --> 00:29:41,440
however when it comes to belief or

733
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,799
assumption

734
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:45,279
or theory or some other unproven

735
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,080
information

736
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,799
i recommend proceeding more carefully

737
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:50,159
openly acknowledge

738
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:54,000
when you're espousing just a theory

739
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:56,399
or an opinion you know follow the

740
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:57,200
evidence and

741
00:30:01,190 --> 00:30:00,320
skillfully use it to make your point use

742
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:01,200
reason

743
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,480
and logic and place the emphasis on the

744
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:05,679
data

745
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,799
and that will serve you well

746
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:11,120
so to conclude i just wanted to commend

747
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:11,840
you for

748
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:15,679
your interest in uh and efforts in

749
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:18,159
researching unidentified aerial

750
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,440
phenomena

751
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,000
because we need the next generation of

752
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,919
researchers to develop

753
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:26,080
many of our predecessors are reaching

754
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,120
our well past

755
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,000
retirement age and this work needs to

756
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:31,679
continue

757
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,279
and we are in exciting times

758
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:36,799
things that have been happening

759
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:38,559
happening in ufology that haven't

760
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:40,960
happened in 70 years so

761
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,120
it is a fascinating time to be involved

762
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,600
with this and i hope this presentation

763
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,919
will inspire you to reach out and

764
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,120
participate

765
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,520
and finally i'd also just like to

766
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,360
announce a release of my first book

767
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:54,640
entitled

768
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,279
unidentified aerial phenomena and

769
00:31:02,789 --> 00:30:59,519
introduction to investigating

770
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:02,799
ufos it will soon be available on amazon

771
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:04,480
and i would love to hear what you think

772
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,679
about it

773
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,399
i wrote this to help and newly

774
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,840
interested person

775
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:12,240
kind of wade through the wheat and the

776
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,120
chaff

777
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,000
of ufo information that is out there you

778
00:31:20,789 --> 00:31:18,159
know how does a person get started

779
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,799
where do you find credible information

780
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:23,360
how do you even know that it's credible

781
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,440
see these are important questions that

782
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,480
need to be asked

783
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,880
and hopefully this book will help you

784
00:31:33,750 --> 00:31:31,360
avoid many of the pitfalls i experienced

785
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,760
the rabbit holes that i unnecessarily

786
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:34,799
went down

787
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:37,440
and and take you for the most direct

788
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:38,640
point from a to b

789
00:31:43,789 --> 00:31:42,000
in your research of ufos so i hope you

790
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:43,799
find the answers in your own